Posts by the dreamer dreaming

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The Bible - all heart (and kidneys), but no brains.

by Awakened07 in

- the topic title is a little 'tabloid' i'll admit, but actually more literal than you'd think:.

a thought - or should i say memory - from my active jw days came to me, and that was the often mentioned 'fact' that jehovah is the god who "tries our heart and kidneys".

this was a very common expression used at meetings while i was growing up.

the dreamer dreaming

those who put heart above head lead with arse (^_^)

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in looking over some of my recent posts and pm's to several of you on here, i see, (and it's been pointed out to me) that my dreamy side may be taking over.. i write this not in a defensive mode but merely as a reflection on the matter.. you are right, so many of us (and all of us, at any given time in our lives) are suffering "tangible" problems.. my heart goes out to each and every one of you and i sincerly hope your situation will reverse itself or be resolved in a positive way in the very near future.. i am not a "total flake".

i am actually pretty good to have around in a crisis.

at the drop of a hat i can clean your entire house, cook a meal for 25 and change your colostomy bag.

the dreamer dreaming

row row row your boat...merrily down the stream....

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dream

by John Doe in

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all i have to do is dream

drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream when i want you in my arms when i want you and all your charms whenever i want you, all i have to do is drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream

i need you so that i could die i love you so and that is why whenever i want you, all i have to do is drea-ea-ea-ea-eam, dream, dream, dream drea-ea-ea-ea-eam

the dreamer dreaming

someone called (^_^)

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It's not WHAT you believe; it is HOW you believe.

by Terry in

overheard:.

"is your cup half full or half empty?

"well, depends on whether you just poured something out or poured something in.".

the dreamer dreaming

I think you are missing something. WHAT you believe comes from religion tradition and culture trained into you from near birth.

HOW you beleive is the set of stradegies you have adopted along the way to achieve the goals your Belief Systems have infected you with... your ideals.

WHY you believe is the part that is often ignored and skirted and questining that can alter both of the above.

the WHY is scary for most because to dig too deep causes a lot of emotional pain as there are no rational answers for a lot of it.

living in the moment is really about constantly asking the WHY of each act and assumption and stradegy...being present to all the forces moving you.

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Do you think God is a Liar?

by BONEZZ in

i've struggled with trying to believe in a god since i left the fold.

i've been indoctrinated by dubizm for most of my life and more and more it all seems pretty incredulous.

the latest lady liberty post about adam caused a lightbulb to go off...and i know you'll let me know if i'm wrong in my assessment.. all my life i've heard, "god cannot tell a lie" and "the bible is true.

the dreamer dreaming

I see GOD as the Generator Of Dreams and my dreams of reality are full of deceptions and lies and hardly anything is what it appears to be...so my GOD is a liar (^_^)... and humans made in the image and likeness of GOD are liars by nature.

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water to wine---trick revealed

by tula in

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an ethnobotanist in santa cruz, california, thinks jesus was munching magic mushrooms at the last supper.

clark heinrich says man has enjoyed the psychedelic effects of mushrooms since thousands of years before christ -- and figured the king of kings probably turned on as well.

in fact, he thinks jesus was high on a psychedelic 'shroom known as "fly agaric" which was hailed for its taste as well as its trips.

the dreamer dreaming

btw, while that seems ludicrist on the face of it, it was recently demonstrated that some greek myths were actually alchemic formulas and when followed produced results the myths predicted... so to encode magic mushroom use in a similar manner may not be so far fetched.

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water to wine---trick revealed

by tula in

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friends

an ethnobotanist in santa cruz, california, thinks jesus was munching magic mushrooms at the last supper.

clark heinrich says man has enjoyed the psychedelic effects of mushrooms since thousands of years before christ -- and figured the king of kings probably turned on as well.

in fact, he thinks jesus was high on a psychedelic 'shroom known as "fly agaric" which was hailed for its taste as well as its trips.

the dreamer dreaming

there is a book out there, that actually claimed that Jesus Christ was a symbol for the magic mushroom itself and not an actual person. I first saw it in a public library in 1990's so I am sure its atleast 20 years old

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Who really wrote the bible

by jacethespace in

i was always taught when i joined jws that moses wrote all of the book of genesis.in the all scripture inspired book on page 13 verse 3 it says:.

jehovah god is the author of the bible but he inspired moses to write the book of genesis.from where did moses get the information he recorded in genesis?

some could have been recieved directly by divine revelation and some under the direction of holy spirit.. verse 5 says- there is no question as to who wrote genesis.. well yes there was, in the watchtower magazine 1959 10/1 [ could be 1/10, depending on which country your in] called -finding the truth that makes men free [ taken from the watchtower program 2004] section 15 has this to say:.

the dreamer dreaming

there is a book called WHO WROTE THE BIBLE and it reads like a detective story and is very interesting.

it seems that Genesis and many other parts of "moses" were written around 800bce and Deuteronomy seems to be by the very same author of Jeremiah and chronocles or maybe it was kings...

as a JW I always doubted JW teaching that Deuteronomy was written mostly by Moses but the last chapter AFTER HIS DEATH was tacked on by another hand, likely Joshua...because if you read the story its the same style from beginning to ending. even bible authors change styles

Genesis is also littered with reference to things indicating that a king over israel EXISTED at the time of writing... thus after 1000bce and no where near the supposed time of moses circa 1500 bce.

evidence exists internally in the bible that Ezra is the one who took several powerful family myths and wove them into one story after the exile from babylon and even added a few things of his own... like the festival of booths... nehemiah gives that one away saying everyone realized that no one had ever celebrated that one for the last 500 years.

this explains genesis and other mosaic books being littered with double stories which often contradict rather than compliment. like the two creation stories, the two noah's arc stories, etc.

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OK back to fluff for a change...has anyone had success making icecream?

by restrangled in

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friends

i bought one of those new fangled devices, by cuisenart...pour the stuff into a prefrozen container and watch it turn into your dream homemade icecream....not!.

it comes out soft and soupy.

if you put it into the freezer it hardens into 1000 year old glacier like material.. it tastes good, but the texture is never where you want it.

the dreamer dreaming

before they came out with low carb ice cream, I used to make chocolate icecream...

you take bitter coco powder [some carbs] and add stevia [no calories no carbs, very very sweet]. and whole cream [zero carbs]. and mix it in a blender....

pour the result into a freezer bag.

seal tightly and place inside a larger freezerbag filled with ice cubes and salt.

shake like crazy for about 20 minutes I think it was......an viola`

texture was not bad, taste was awesome.

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The ability to let go... Do Jws/ex-JWs have a problem with this?

by restrangled in

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friends

this is in no way meant to be an accusation.

it's just a question.

it could also be just human nature in general, or a personality type that was attracted to this religion in the first place.. it seems that several problems on this board just won't die a peaceful death.

the dreamer dreaming

we fall in love with the reflection of our own idealized self... those of us who joined JWs saw something of our ideals in them and thought they would be the right ones to re-inforce them... but like all others, they took our ideals and claimed to know that we had a flawed one and theirs was THE TRUTH and gradually they had us compare our lives to THEIR ideals...always presenting the IDEAL hive drone and his place within the hive and how we did not measure up and could not hope to measure up in this life, but needed to strive to be just like him in everything we did...and just needed to ask forgiveness where we fell short and that would make it all better. many of our ideals are hidden within us and go unexamined and because of this we might have felt a certainty about JWs that was false to begin with and this allowed them to mold us to their distorted image. ======= as to letting go, the past is a ghost which can only haunt you with the energy you give it. until you understand that you yourself are haunting yourself, you may feel victimized by the past...but the past has no substance beyond data in your mind and you have the ability to manipulate that data and deal with it any way you have gained the skill to do so...its just a matter of learning new skills and techniques rather than constantly fighting your own minds activity. ======== here are a few- 1. name what you see around you. this forces your mind to the present moment... it can break the emotional power grip a strongly negative expeirence has over you. as you feel the grip of the past wane, you can focus more on what you are currently doing rather than what cannot be undone. you can ACCEPT that yes, that DID infact happen and NO ONE can alter one step and YES it is over and done and CANNOT harm you as it did in the past without your allowance. 2. scan your body from head to toe for muscles being held tight...often sub-conscious emotional ideas manifest in clenched muscles... find them and relax those muscle groups... generally around the shoulders and the butt. this will cause an internal chain reaction, the body is a feedback loop. happy thoughts lead to smiling and smiling leads to happy thoughts... no one can sing the hee haw song without smiling and feeling better. 3. intellectually you can tell yourself that ALL THINGS ARE AS THEY MUST BE because NO ONE can alter a single moment of the past... reality is about forces of nature behaving as their nature dictates, the myth of freewill gives the illusion that reality could have been and damn-it! should have been different from the life you remember living. letting go of this myth leads to the peace of acceptance. there is no one to blame for your life being what it is, there is no one who lives a life outside of nature.